Mar 31, 2026 Commissioners Court

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ADDRESS THEM AS WE DO. SO THERE'S TWO CONCEPTS THAT ARE STARTING HERE. SO CONCEPT ONE

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WHAT DO YOU HAVE A VARIETY? YOU HAVE A SPECIES. WE HAVE ANOTHER TEAM MEMBER THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR LANDSCAPING. OKAY. CAN I START ON THE TREES YET? WE'LL HAVE KADEK. WHO'S KELLY COOK, WHO YOU'VE WORKED WITH ON THE PARK BEFORE THAT WE'LL TALK WITH ON THE TREES. OKAY. GREAT JOB MICHELLE. THANK YOU. AND WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ON THE GLASS BECAUSE WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND AS WE LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS PLAY INTO HOW GLASS GETS TREATED TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU CREATE MORE SHADE AND SHADOW IN THOSE KIND OF A NATURAL PATTERNING THAT HAPPENS ON THE GLASS, IT'S A DETERRENT. BUT ALSO WE HAVE EXPANSES OF GLASS THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF SHADE AND SHADOW. THEN THERE ARE OTHER TREATMENTS ON THE GLASS AND THINGS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCED WITH AS A TEAM, AND CERTAINLY FOR CONTROLLING LIGHT. MAYBE IN SOME OF THOSE LARGER WINDOWS WHERE WE HAVE THE COURTROOMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION WE HAVE DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AND VISIBILITY INTO THE COURTROOM. SO WE MAY NATURALLY HAVE THOSE FEATURES BUILT INTO THE DESIGN, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. THANK

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BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH. SO AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT SERIES OPTIONS, THERE'S CONCEPT THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE, AND ALL OF THESE ARE EXPLORING THE COLONNADE GOING AWAY. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ABANDON THE IDEA OF CREATING THAT HORIZONTAL BAND OR RESONATION SORT OF AT THE TWO STORY LINE. SO YOU'RE STILL YOUR EYE STILL SEES AS IF THE COLONNADES THERE, THERE'S STILL THAT HORIZONTAL BAND OR DATUM POINT AT THE TWO STOREY. IT'S JUST NOT A PROJECTED CANOPY WITH A ROOF ON IT AND COLUMNS THERE TO SUPPORT IT. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ECONOMICAL IN THAT WAY. AND WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT SORT OF IN THE PRESENTATION. WE HAVE SOME SOME INFORMATION TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS COURT SPECIFICALLY TO THE COLONNADE USE. SO AS YOU LOOK AT CONCEPT THREE, IT HAS A SIMILAR OVERALL SORT OF WINDOW ORGANIZATION AND GROUPING AS WE LOOK AT CONCEPT TWO. BUT THE BIG OBVIOUSLY THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THE COLONNADE HAS GONE AWAY, STILL HAVE THE THE HEROIC KIND OF CENTRAL DESIGN OF THE FIVE STORY FRONT PORCH. THE CENTRAL GLASS IS VERY PROMINENT IN THE FEATURE OF THIS BUILDING. AND THEN THE TWO WINGS ARE SHOULDERS HAVE THE GROUPINGS OF WINDOWS THAT ON THE UPPER THREE FLOORS ARE SUPPORTING THE COURTROOMS THAT ARE AT THE NORTH EDGE OF THE BUILDING. SO PROVIDING THAT THAT MOMENT OF DAYLIGHT AND CONNECTIVITY TO THE INSIDE, AND THEN THE CORNICE LINE AGAIN AT THE VERY TOP OF THE BUILDING, HAVING THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THAT CIVIC CHARACTER CREATING LOTS OF SHADE AND SHADOW THAT REALLY DIFFERENTIATES THE BUILDING FROM A TRADITIONAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS A VERY UNIFORM KIND OF ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND SO WE HAVE A MODEL. SO WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT TO AN EVOLUTION, WHICH IS HERE IN THIS MODEL. AND YOU CAN KIND OF MOVE THIS AROUND, WARN EVERYONE THE TOP COMES OFF SO YOU CAN LOOK INSIDE, BUT THAT PIECE JUST SITS UNCOMFORTABLY THERE.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AGAIN, ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, MAINTAINING THE SYMMETRY OF THE BUILDING, MAINTAINING ALL OF THE NICE ASPECTS FROM THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, JUST BRINGING THAT FORWARD. WITHOUT THE COLONNADE. WE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION AS WE LOOK HERE AT THE EVENING SHOT. SO AGAIN, THE WAY THE BUILDING RESONATES AT NIGHT WITH ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING AND THE INTERIOR LIGHTING BRINGING THE INTERIOR FORWARD. CONCEPT FOUR IS ONLY A SLIGHT DEVIATION. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS TWO STOREY HORIZONTAL BAND IS INTERRUPTED BY THIS LARGER FIVE STORY WINDOW PATTERN. SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THOSE FIVE STORY WINDOW GROUPINGS OF WINDOWS ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ON THE TWO WINGS ARE THE TWO SHOULDERS OF THE BUILDING. THAT HORIZONTAL BAND IS INTERRUPTED, SO IT'S JUST A SUBTLE VARIATION. AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK ON PREFERENCES. THIS ISN'T A COST DRIVER, IT'S JUST MORE OF AN ESTHETIC, ESTHETIC DRIVER, ESTHETIC CONVERSATION.

AND AGAIN, THIS PROCESS OF ENGAGING THE COMMISSIONERS COURT AND HAVING THAT DIALOG ABOUT WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING ABOUT THE DESIGN, THIS ONE STARTS TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION. THESE OPTIONS HERE ALSO HAVE A SLIGHT CURVE OR BEND TO THE UPPER CANOPY, THE UPPER PORCH AND THE BACK WALL, OR THE GLASS IS AT A SLIGHT RADIUS. AND THAT DETAILING IS MORE OF A SEGMENTED WALL WHEN IT COMES TO GLASS. SO IT'S NOT CURVED GLASS, IT'S NOT OVERLY EXPENSIVE. IT'S JUST A WAY OF PUTTING ORTHOGONAL PIECES AND PANELS IN A WAY THAT CREATES THAT SLIGHT CURVE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT, THAT CIVIC CHARACTER, BUT ALSO DOING IT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THAT'S NOT OVERLY COMPLICATED BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, BECAUSE FIVE IS A DIFFERENT ONE ENTIRELY, RIGHT? SO THREE AND FOUR. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THAT BAND. DO YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? BETWEEN 3 AND 4, JUST LIKE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, WHICH I'LL SAVE MY COMMENT FOR LAST. AND WE DO HAVE A SUMMARY SLIDE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A WAY TO LIKE KIND OF DO A BACK AND FORTH. IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, YOU GO AHEAD.

CERTAINLY. YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE. SO FIVE IS MORE SIMILAR TO THIS. AND SIX IS NOW THE ONE. OH YEAH.

YEAH. SO WE WANTED TO SHOW A COMPARE AND CONTRAST AS WE LOOK THROUGH THESE OPTIONS. AND AGAIN CONCEPT FOUR WITH THE EVENING VIEW. SO CONCEPT FIVE STILL HAS THE PORCH AND CALLED THE FRONT PORCH PULLED PROUD WITHOUT THE COLONNADE. IT'S JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE THE CURVE

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SHAPE OF THE PUBLIC CIRCULATION, THIS BRINGS KIND OF A LARGER CORNER PIECE OF GLASS. SO WHEN YOU'RE STANDING OUT AT THAT NORTH END, HAVING MORE, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR VIEWS OUT TO THE CIVIC PARK WHERE THE PREVIOUS VERSION HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE MODEST WINDOW, KIND OF IN THAT SAME LOCATION. SO THIS ONE STARTS TO AMPLIFY THAT EXPERIENCE OF BRINGING THE IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE GLASS THAT'S ON THE INSIDE IS COMING OUT AND JUST TURNING AND WRAPPING THE CORNERS EVER SO SLIGHTLY. NOW ON THIS ONE, THERE'S A WALL COMING UP A LITTLE BIT KIND OF BEHIND THE TOP HAT PIECE. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THEY'LL ALL HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS HAVE THAT, BUT IT'S THE MECHANICAL YARD THAT SITS ON TOP OF THE ROOF. SO EVEN IN SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE MAYBE NOT SHOWING AS MUCH, IT'S STILL THERE AND COMING UP ABOUT 20FT OR SO OFF THE ROOF. AND ONE LITTLE DETAIL THAT COULD BE PART OF ALL THE OPTIONS. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE AT THE GROUND LEVEL, YOU CAN SEE ALMOST LIKE A REPRESENTATIVE OF A MURAL PIECE BECAUSE IN THE BACK THERE'S THE ELEVATOR BANK FOR THE PUBLIC ELEVATORS GOING UP. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL KIND OF KIND OF WALL FEATURE. AND IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME KIND OF PUBLIC ART IN THAT AREA TO SORT OF SIGNIFY SORT OF A MOMENT OF ARRIVAL AND REALLY CONNECT THE COURTHOUSE TO THE COMMUNITY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ART PIECE IS. SO WE'RE JUST SHOWING KIND OF A GRAPHIC THERE. AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY IN THE GLASS, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT. YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE WAY BACK AND SEE THAT ART FEATURE. SO IN CONCEPT FIVE IS THE SAME VIEW IN THE EVENING. SO THE DETAIL HERE IS REALLY SPECIFIC TO CONCEPT THREE AND FOUR. BUT THE IDEA IS REALLY APPLIES TO WHETHER IT'S CURVED OR ORTHOGONAL. THIS MOMENT OF A LAYERED ENTRY APPROACH IS COMMON TO THREE, FOUR AND FIVE.

YES. SO JUDGE, THAT REALLY STARTS WALK THROUGH THE OPEN AIR. CORRECT. SO YOU WALK ON IT.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE TOP COME OFF BECAUSE YOU CAN NOW SEE DOWN INSIDE OF HOW YOU SORT OF GET THIS SORT OF COMPRESSION AND RELEASE MOMENT RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE COURTHOUSE. SO FOR OUT IN THE CIVIC PARK, YOU'LL READ THE BUILDING AT THAT FIVE STORY SCALE. YOU COME UP AND YOU HAVE THIS LOWER TWO STORY KIND OF PORCH PIECE THAT KIND OF COMPRESSES YOU. YOU FILTER THROUGH THE COLUMNS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS BRIEF MOMENT OF BEING ABLE TO LOOK UP THROUGH THAT OPENING APERTURE AND IDEALLY, LOOK UP AND CATCH A LITTLE GLIMPSE OF SKY BEFORE YOU HIT THE FRONT DOORS ENTERING IN THE COURTHOUSE. SO AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S A RADIUSED FRONT OR AN ORTHOGONAL FRONT, THAT VIEW UP THROUGH THIS WOULD BE PART OF ANY ONE OF THOSE DESIGNS AS IT RELATES TO CONCEPT THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE.

SO WE CREATED CONCEPT SIX, WHICH WAS REALLY RELATED TO THE RECESSED ENTRY. AND SO THAT'S A BIG DEVIATION BETWEEN THREE, FOUR AND FIVE. AND CONCEPT SIX. SO FOR THE OPTION CONCEPT SIX WE'VE TAKEN KIND OF THAT OPTION FIVE, WHICH IS THE MORE ORTHOGONAL ONE. AND WE COMPRESS THE RECESSED THE ENTRY. SO THAT COLONNADE THAT'S RELATING TO THE FIVE STORY PORCH IS NOW COPLANAR AND PUSHED BACK AT THE EDGE OF THE ENTRY. SO THIS SORT OF ROOF OPENING AND THEN THE COLONNADE IS ALL KIND OF COLLAPSED INTO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING A MORE OF A RECESSED ENTRY. WHAT IS THE COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RECESSED AND THE. SO I THINK IN THAT ANALYSIS OF THE VERSION A AND VERSION B, THE VERSION B DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE ENGAGED IN THIS. I THINK THAT'S CORRECT, ISN'T IT, THAT. YES. YEAH. SO THERE'S A THERE'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IF THAT MIDDLE, IF THAT MIDDLE, IF THAT MIDDLE PORCH, IF YOU WILL, WERE TO GO AWAY. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WAS ABOUT A 3 TO $400,000. AND WE CAN PULL THAT SLIDE UP IN A MINUTE, COMMISSIONER. BUT BASICALLY, ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THIS PIECE THAT'S OUT HERE. AND THIS WOULD BE AND THIS WOULD BE PLANAR

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YESTERDAY YOU SAID THAT THAT INCLUDED ONLY DOING THE CENTER COLONNADE, NOT THE FULL. I CAN WALK THROUGH IT IN A MINUTE. BUT BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WERE TAKING THESE TWO ELEMENTS OFF, WHICH LEFT THIS ELEMENT. AND THEN WE HAD A NUMBER TO TAKE OFF THE ENTIRE FRONT ELEMENT, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE REMOVING THIS MIDDLE PIECE. OKAY, SO IF Y'ALL WANT PUBLIC OPINION, CONCEPT TWO IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. IS THAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE CONCEPT TWO? SO THAT HAS THE COLONNADE OUT FRONT. THAT IS BEAUTIFUL. THAT HAS THE PERFORATED FRONT.

YEAH. HAS THE PROTRUDED FRONT, BUT WITHOUT THE PHONE WITHOUT MAYBE TOGGLE BETWEEN TWO. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT KIND OF CULMINATES ALL OF THEM. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THEM BACK AND FORTH HERE IN A MOMENT.

LIKE WE'LL WRAP UP THE CONCEPT SIX. SO THIS IS THAT SAME VIEW WITH THE EVENING SHOT. AND THEN SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONES, WE'RE SHOWING THAT LOWER LEVEL PERSPECTIVE. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEN HOW THAT ENTRY PIECE AND THE FIVE STORY FRONT PORCH IS REALLY JUST NOW RECESSED. SO STUDYING, HAVING THAT MOMENT WHERE YOU KIND OF WALK UNDERNEATH THAT LOW LEVEL ROOF ELEMENT, AND THEN YOU COME OUT AND HAVE THAT VIEW UP. ALL THAT'S HAPPENING SORT OF OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU STILL HAVE THE VIEW UP AND THERE'S STILL THAT VIEW TO THE SKY. YOU'RE JUST NOT HAVING THAT MOMENT OF SORT OF COMPRESSION OVER THAT TWO STORY PORCH. OUT HERE. AN ADVANTAGE TO THAT ONE IS THAT CORNER PIECE ON FLOORS THREE, FOUR, FIVE IN THAT CORRIDOR, YOU HAVE DIRECT ACCESS VERSUS HAVING THE COLONNADES IN THE WAY, RIGHT.

YOU MEAN VISUAL VISUAL VISUALLY VISUAL. YEAH. PULLS THE COLUMNS BACK FURTHER SOUTH OR INTO THAT THAT THAT RECESS. AND YES, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE ON THAT NORTHERN EDGE OF THAT PUBLIC CIRCULATION, YOU'RE SORT OF UNINTERRUPTED IN THAT VIEW. TO ME, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE STATELY EFFECT, I AGREE. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE SERIES OF SUMMARY SLIDES. SO WE CAN THEIR THEIR THUMBNAILS, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE CONCEPTS SORT OF SORT OF AS A GROUPING. IT'S REALLY THE ARCHITECTURE OF CONCEPT TWO, THREE, AND FOUR ARE VERY SIMILAR. IT'S JUST REALLY IT'S WITH THE COLONNADE AND WITHOUT IT. CONCEPT FIVE AGAIN, HAS THE COLONNADE REMOVED. IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THAT SLIGHT GENTLE CURVE ON THE FRONT. IT'S MORE OF AN ORTHOGONAL EXTERIOR ON THE FRONT PORCH. THAT FIVE STORY PORCH AND THEN SIX IS DIFFERENT IN THE WAY THAT IT'S COMPLETELY RECESSES. THAT FIVE STORY PORCH ALL TOGETHER. PLANNED OUT SECOND LEVEL. FOR ME PERSONALLY, LIKE WHEN YOU KIND OF DO THE SQUINT TEST, YOU LOOK AT OPTIONS LIKE THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. YOUR EYE IMMEDIATELY GOES TO THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING.

IN SOME WAYS, THE COLONNADE ON TWO, ALMOST LIKE KIND OF DISTRACTION, PULLS YOU AWAY FROM THE CENTER A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW IT DOES HAVE A NICE PEDESTRIAN SCALE. WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT SORT OF THE HEROIC OR VERY CIVIC GESTURE OF THE FIVE STORY COLONNADE. IT ALLOWS THAT TO REALLY BE PROMINENT. AND THEN AS IT SEPARATES FROM THE COLONNADE, IF WE IF THERE IS INTEREST IN THAT SLIGHT CURVE, YOU'RE NOT HAVING IT TETHERED TO THIS TWO STORY PIECE THAT STRETCHES ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

IT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY TO TO BE WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE AND NOT BE BEHOLDEN TO THAT TWO

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YES. YEAH. YEAH. AND JUST AND JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE ON THAT, THAT THAT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DECISION BECAUSE AS WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DECISION POINTS THAT ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO PROGRESS THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN FURTHER, RATHER THAN GETTING, GETTING, CARRYING, CARRYING TOO MANY THINGS, WE WANT TO SET SOME MARKERS IN PLACE AND SOME CRITICAL ELEMENTS IN PLACE SO THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN CAN PROCEED MEANINGFULLY. AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE, WE'RE NOT BACKTRACKING AND CHANGING SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS MORE WHAT I USUALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF HONE IN ON MAJOR STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KIND OF SET THOSE THINGS IN AND GET THOSE DECISION POINTS MADE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE BUILDING IS GOING TO PROGRESS. SO THE GLAZING IS SOMETHING THAT IS, IS THAT CAN CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED. AND THOSE THOSE RATIOS OF CURTAINWALL SYSTEMS VERSUS PUNCHED OPENINGS CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COURT FROM A FINANCIAL DECISION AS WELL AS A FUNCTIONALITY DECISION. SO THOSE ARE STILL THINGS THAT WILL BE IN PLAY AND AREN'T NECESSARILY A DECISION POINT FOR TODAY. BUT AS TODD MENTIONED, GETTING THAT, GETTING SOME OPINIONS ON THAT OBVIOUSLY HELPS DRIVE OUR TEAM IN CERTAIN DIRECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRESENTING INFORMATION THAT'S RELEVANT, YOU KNOW, IN SEVERAL WEEKS FROM NOW. AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE COLONNADE COMMISSIONER, MAYBE SEAN WILL MAYBE FAST FORWARD REAL QUICK TO THAT SO WE CAN, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PIECE, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT FOR SO. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT DECISION POINT, YOU KNOW, WE DID WANT TO PUT SOME DOLLARS AND CENTS TO THAT COMPONENT OF IT. SO THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S REALLY TWO OPTIONS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE OPTION WHERE IT GETS RID OF THE COLONNADE ON THE SIDES AND LEAVES THE CENTER PORCH, IF YOU WILL, IN PLAY. AND THEN THE VERSION B REALLY KIND OF CONTEMPLATES TAKING THAT ALL THE WAY OFF, WHICH WOULD MORE REPLICATE SOMETHING IN THIS COST RANGE BY GETTING RID OF THAT OUTER ELEMENT.

COMMISSIONER. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE MODELED IN A, IN A COST PERSPECTIVE. SO IF YOU GOT RID OF THE COLONNADE ON THE SIDES, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE COLONNADE, THIS DOESN'T REALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE RAMPING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF, IF, IF, IF THERE WERE SOME ELEMENT WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET PEDESTRIANS UP ON THIS CORNER OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS STRICTLY JUST THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENT THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $788,000. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRETY, IF IT WERE TO ALL COME OFF, WOULD BE ABOUT $1.1 MILLION. AND SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS, COMMISSIONER RUSSELL, WOULD BE WOULD BE BASICALLY KIND OF LEAVING THIS THIS PIECE ON, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF WE LEAVE IT ON, IT'S A 700. NO, IT'S A DIFFERENCE. IT'D BE THE DIFFERENCE. YEAH. IT'D BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS BECAUSE THE 1.1 REPRESENTS TAKING IT ALL THE WAY OFF. AND THE 788 REPRESENTS JUST TAKING THESE TWO PIECES OFF. SO IT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 300, $350,000 TO LEAVE THAT CENTERPIECE STICKING OUT LIKE THIS. WELL, AND I ORIGINALLY LIKED THE COLONNADE CONCEPT. BUT NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THE. THE SLOPE OF THE. WALKWAY AND ALL AND THE COST SAVINGS, I MEAN, I THINK I THINK I'M GOOD WITH NOT HAVING THE COLONNADE ALL THE WAY ACROSS. I DO STILL LIKE THE, THE CENTER PROTRUDING ENTRYWAY. I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS THE ENTRANCE AND KIND OF MAKES IT LOOK MORE OF A, AGAIN, A GOVERNMENTAL BUILDING INSTEAD OF AN OFFICE BUILDING. I THINK TO GET PEOPLE UP TO WALK THROUGH THAT COLONNADE FROM THE EAST SIDE, FROM THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE A HECK OF A TASK. IT EITHER JUST BE STAIRS,

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SO I'M OPPOSED TO THE COLONY AS A WHOLE, BUT I LIKE CONCEPT A. I'D LIKE TO GET THE COST DOWN TO THAT ONE, BUT I'D LIKE TO. THERE'S ONE THROUGH SIX. THERE'S NOT AN A. REMOVE THE COST. THE COST OPTION. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SO SO WE'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT.

NO, NO COLONNADE I YEAH, I DON'T NEED IT. AND I LIKED THE I MEAN, I DO IT DOES LOOK NICE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S TO ME ADDING IT IN THE MIDDLE IS NOT WORTH THE ADDITIONAL 400,000. I LIKE THE CURVE. LIKE THE CURVE I DO TOO. I THINK IT GIVES YOU SOME SOME 3D DIMENSION TO THE, TO THE BUILDING AND PROMINENCE. YEAH, I DO TOO. GIVES US GIVES IT A LITTLE CHARACTER. AND SO THEN WE'RE ONE AND TWO ESSENTIALLY ARE OUT BECAUSE THOSE HAVE THE COLONNADES THREE AND FOUR ARE THE ROUNDED VERSUS FIVE, WHICH IS THE FLAT. SO WE LIKE THREE AND FOUR IS REALLY IT. AND THEN I GUESS ON THE THREE AND FOUR IT'S THE RIGHT TWO MIDDLE OF THE TWO. JUST SO REALLY THIS HORIZONTAL BAND, WHETHER IT GETS INTERRUPTED AND WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE CAN GET FEEDBACK CERTAINLY ON PREFERENCES, BUT WE CAN CARRY, YOU KNOW, AN OPTION WITH AND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE AS WE REALLY FINE TUNE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE WINDOW PATTERNING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE MAY BE OPTIONS THAT HAVING THAT MORE OF A FIVE STORY EXPRESSION, YOU KNOW, ON THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE SHOULDERS VERSUS HAVING THAT HORIZONTAL INTERRUPTED, WE CAN CONTINUE TO STUDY THAT. BUT IF YOU HAD A GENERAL REACTION OF, I LIKE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT VERSUS THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, I LIKE THE MIDDLE ONE, I DO TOO.

IT KIND OF GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF A COLONNADE WITHOUT HAVING THE COLUMNS. IT KIND OF GIVES YOU THAT CONTINUOUS, THAT CONTINUANCE. YEAH, I, I LIKE IT. THE CONTINUOUS DATUM. LEARN A NEW WORD DATUM THERE TOO. LET ME BACK UP. JUST IN GENERAL, WES THAT WE WANTED TO GO FROM THIS SOMEWHAT VERY MONOTONOUS BOX AND STARTING TO BRING CHARACTER THINGS OF LIKE THE DATUMS, THE DESIGNS, THE PROFILES AROUND THE WINDOW. SO WOULDN'T IT FEEL LIKE FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO ADD THAT LEVEL OF CHARACTER AND DETAIL THAT GETS IT INTO A COURTHOUSE VERSUS AN OFFICE. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER TWO, THE OTHER OPTION,

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WE DO HAVE THERE WILL BE CAMERAS FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, PHYSICAL SECURITY, SECURITY IS IS YOUR IS THE PRIOR AND SUPERVISION IS THE PRIORITY SUPPLEMENTED BY SECURITY CAMERAS LIKE SURVEILLANCE. SO HAVING THAT LINE OF SIGHT ONE, IT CAN BE A DETERRENT IF SOMEBODY APPROACHING THE BUILDING AND REALIZE LIKE, OH, IT'S ALL FULL OF IN THERE, RIGHT? ANOTHER IS, EVEN IF I'M IN THE MIDST OF SCREENING SOMEBODY, IF I START SEEING COMMOTION OUT THERE PERIPHERALLY, I CAN GO REACT VERSUS THE SUPPLEMENTARY APPROACH OF RELYING ON SOMEBODY TO SEE IT. AND THE CAMERA VIEWS. AND THOSE ARE MATRIX VIEWS. SO IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN A SECURITY, IT'S GOT A WHOLE BUNCH ON IT. BUT LIKE WE'RE IN CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES WORKING THE CAMERAS ARE NOT WHAT PEOPLE NOTICE SOMETHING ON. IT'S THROUGH OTHER DETECTIONS AND MAN DOWNS AND DIFFERENT OTHER SECURITY DEVICES. THEN THE CAMERAS WILL GO HONE IN ON THAT. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE TRY TO DESIGN THESE FROM A PHYSICAL SECURITY STANDPOINT. THAT'S EVEN WHY FROM THE CIRCULATION PATH FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE IT OPEN, AVOIDING A BUNCH OF NOOKS AND CRANNIES. AND WE DO HAVE TURNS, BUT EVEN THE GLAZING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, HAVING SOME OF THAT TRANSPARENCY. SO I CAN SEE THAT.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS PHYSICAL SECURITY FIRST, SUPPLEMENTED BY CAMERAS THAT ALSO RECORD THE EVENTS. WHEN YOU GO BACK AND DO THE INVESTIGATION, YOU'VE GOT THE EVIDENCE YOU NEED TO FILE CHARGES OR WHATNOT BASED ON WHAT THE EVENT MIGHT BE. SO ON THESE TWO CONCEPTS, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT TO ME IS SUPER BOLD, BUT IT'S ALMOST SO BOLD IT DROWNS OUT THE FRONT OF IT. I LIKE THE ONE ON THE LEFT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE, I GUESS IT'S MORE VISUAL. IT'S JUST LIKE MORE LIKE DRAWS YOU IN THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE A GLOSSY OUT. YEAH, I AGREE, AND WHEN I SEEN THE ONE THAT'S DOWN THERE IN THE VALLEY, I'VE CITED IT BEFORE THAT THE NEW ONE, IT'S NEARLY MCALLEN, MCALLEN, NEARLY ALL GLASS. AND THAT'S TOO MUCH.

I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT TO BRING IT IN. AND BECAUSE OF HAVING THE PILLARS IN FRONT, WHEREVER YOU'RE AT THERE, YOU CAN SEE AND HAVE ACCESS TO VIEWS, IF THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT I AGREE IT BLOCKS. IT'S TOO BLOCKY. SO I LEAN LEFT ALSO. SAME FOR ME. I LIKE MORE GLASS. YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CLEAN IT, BUT I LIKE TO SEE IT WHEN IT'S CLEAN. YEAH.

AND MIX UP WELL, NO, I, I, I LIKE THE ONE ON THE LEFT. YEAH. BETTER. I, I THINK IT'S CLEANER.

YEAH. YEAH, I THINK IT'S CLEANER. I GOT A DIFFERENT OPINION. I MEAN, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE GLASS JUST BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP AND IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN.

IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. AND I MEAN, IT ABSOLUTELY LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. BUT TO ME IT'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GLASS UP THERE NO MATTER WHAT. SO A LITTLE MORE GLASS MIGHT NOT BE THAT BIG A DEAL.

IT JUST IT'S JUST THE VIEW LOOK SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS ONE OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT. WELL, AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS. I JUST I DO WANT TO I DO WANT TO INTERJECT THAT KIND OF WHAT GETS LOST IN TRANSLATION WITH THESE FRONT ELEVATIONS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK OF EXTERIOR ENVELOPE, YOU DO HAVE TWO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SQUARE

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THEY'RE SO AND THIS WILL BE PART OF THE EXERCISE I WAS REFERRING TO FROM A RATIO PERSPECTIVE. WHEN YOU HAVE EXTERIOR WALL, YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IT'S EITHER GOT TO BE SOLID, IT'S GOT TO BE PUNCHED WINDOWS, IT'S GOT TO BE CURTAIN WALL, IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE COST AND GET FUNCTIONALITY ON THESE TWO INSIDE WALLS WHERE MAYBE YOU DO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HAVE MORE GLAZING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THAT RATIO EXERCISE WILL COME INTO PLAY, I THINK. BUT I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL GOOD CONVERSATIONS FROM MAINTENANCE TO EXPENSE TO LOOK TO WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. WELL, SPEAKING OF THAT TOO, THE WAY THIS MODEL IS DONE, THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN BROUGHT OUT HERE. HERE IT'S BEEN INSET. SO YOU HAVE CORNER WINDOWS THAT ARE BROUGHT OUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT BROUGHT OUT OVER HERE. THE CORNER WINDOWS COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT OVER HERE, WHICH WOULD HAVE GIVEN A BETTER VIEW BECAUSE IT'S USED THAT WINDOW. YOU'RE BLOCKING YOUR VIEW BY THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE. AND THAT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION. WE WE WE PREVIOUSLY WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION. WE FIGURED WE WOULD JUST TABLE THAT AND FIGURE OUT, DO WE LIKE IT? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO. WE LIKE IT WITHOUT THE COLONNADE. SOUNDS LIKE THE DRIVER. AND I THINK WE'LL WE'RE GOING TO BEG AND BORROW ACROSS. OKAY, NOT BIG, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BORROW ACROSS THESE OPTIONS. WE LIKE GLASS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN THIS ONE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE COME BACK ON APRIL 28TH WE'LL START TO MELD THAT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE NOT IN ALL THESE VARIETIES OF COLONNADE, NO COLONNADE. NOW WE'RE CONTINUING TO NARROW THE LENS A LITTLE BIT. AND SO THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TEST ON THESE SUBTLE DETAILS THAT WE THINK BECAUSE WE, WE WOULD AGREE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT FROM DAY ONE.

THE NICEST VIEW IS GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, CAN WE HONOR THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

AND THIS MAY BE CONSTRAINING THAT A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S WHAT GOES BACK TO SEAN'S COMMENT IS IF WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH GLAZING IN THIS, THESE TWO WALLS, BUT WE UTILIZE THOSE AS FOCAL POINTS THAT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE SOLID, A LITTLE LESS WINDOW, A LITTLE MORE PUNCH WINDOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT? WE CAN DO A TIT FOR TAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL WIND UP A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD IS LIKE SEAN MENTIONED, ALL THE PUNCHED OPENINGS WHERE WE CAN USE THOSE MORE OFTEN, LIKE IN OFFICE AREAS LIKE THE LOWER TWO LEVELS OR HEAVY OFFICE. SO THIS MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE. IT'S A LITTLE LESS COST THAN THE CURTAIN WALL. AND WE'RE GOING TO START TO LINE UP THE INTERIOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE SHOWN EARLIER WITH ALL THE OFFICES, WITH THE LOCATION OF ELEMENTS. SO EACH WINDOW WILL BE THERE FOR A PURPOSE. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO SHOW FOR LIKE THOSE CORNER ONES.

IT'S THE SAME IDEA. IT'S LIKE IT'S THERE FOR THE VIEW OUT TO THE CIVIC COURTYARD. OR AS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE COURTROOMS, IT'S GIVING YOU A VIEW OF THE PARK VERSUS THE BACK OF A COLUMN. AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE THINK ABOUT FROM THE INSIDE OUT, AS WELL AS THE OUTSIDE IN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. AND, AND, AND I THINK THE IDEA AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GUYS, BUT YOU KNOW, NARROWING THIS DOWN TO TODD'S POINT SO THAT WE CAN START FOCUSING ON SOME MORE OF THE INTIMATE DETAILS THAT ARE KIND OF COMING OUT IN THIS CONVERSATION. I THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO COME BACK NEXT TIME WHEN WE DEVELOP SOME OF THESE MORE INTIMATE DISCUSSIONS WITH ALMOST LIKE A LIKE A WALK THROUGH, IF YOU WILL. SO FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE, DLR WILL BE ABLE TO KIND OF PUT YOU INSIDE THE BUILDING SO THAT IF YOU'RE STANDING, YOU'RE STANDING IN THIS CORRIDOR AND YOU'RE LOOKING OUT OF A, YOU KNOW, A FULL HEIGHT WINDOW VERSUS A PUNCH WINDOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT EXPERIENCE. SO THAT'LL HELP AS WE KIND OF TEASE SOME OF THESE FUTURE IDEAS, WE'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PLACE YOU IN THE BUILDING AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND GET A REAL SENSE OF, OKAY, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE? SO JOJO MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE ARK OUT HERE ON THE FRONT. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE ARK RIGHT THERE. THIS ONE I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TOO MUCH TROUBLE WITH, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE ONES, YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING INTO THAT WALL OVER THERE. SO IF WE'RE FLAT, IT WOULD GIVE YOU MORE OF A UNLESS YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THAT CONTINUOUS.

BUT THAT WALL STUDY. YEAH, IT'S MORE OF THAT STUDY AND WHAT SEAN JUST MENTIONED TO OUR INTERIORS TEAM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WHEN WE WERE WITH THE USERS, ESPECIALLY JUDGES COURTROOMS, WE BROUGHT SOME DIFFERENT WOOD SPECIES JUST TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON COLOR ON DARK VERSUS LIGHT. SO THE DARKER ONE, WHICH WAS A WALNUT, WAS, WAS UNANIMOUS OR

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SO IT'S QUOTE UNQUOTE, LOCALLY SOURCED, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT LOCAL AS YOU CAN GET. SO I THINK THAT'S GOT SOME ADVANTAGES THAT WE'RE GETTING BACK FROM THEM ON A COST ADVANTAGE PERSPECTIVE VERSUS PRECAST, WHERE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURED NOT NEAR HERE AND TRUCKED IN AND THEN ERECTED INTO PLACE. SO THESE ARE RUNNING IN THE 35 TO $38 A SQUARE FOOT INSTALLED RANGE. YOUR PRECAST ARE STARTING TO PENCIL OUT MORE IN THE 75 TO $80 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. SO PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN COST. YOU DO GET YOU DO GET SOME LARGER FORMAT POTENTIAL WITH PRECAST IN TERMS OF SIZING. BUT THESE THESE THESE PRODUCTS CAN, CAN GET RATHER LARGE AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, THE 50 TO POSSIBLY EVEN 60 INCH RANGE. SO YOU KNOW, AND WITH SOME DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S SENSITIVE TO DOLLARS AND CENTS ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PICK A HORSE AND RUN WITH IT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT DECISION TODAY. BUT IF THERE'S A STRONG OPINION, WE'LL TAKE ONE. BUT I THINK BUT I DO THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME ADVANTAGES, MAYBE EVEN FROM A LIMESTONE. I THINK IT'S A MUCH I LIKE THE CHARACTER THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT LIKE THE BOTTOM TWO WOULD PERHAPS BE A MORE CHARACTER. AND THEN AS YOU GO VERTICALLY, THAT DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH YOU CAN. I MEAN, IN THIS SCENARIO, IN THIS SCENARIO, YOU WOULD APPRECIATE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MORE ON THE LOWER LEVELS WHERE THIS YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE IT AS IT STARTS GOING UP THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE SOMETHING EVEN CHEAPER. YOU JUST STICK WITH THAT THE WHOLE WAY. AND THE INQUIRY WE HAD YESTERDAY IS IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF SEAL OR SOMETHING. YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER. WHAT'S THAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER HALL BROUGHT THAT UP. YEAH. MAKING SURE THAT IT DOES MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO CHECK INTO DOES IT NEED A SEALER FOR LONGEVITY PURPOSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT ON THE SIDE OF THAT MOUNTAIN, FOR HOW MANY MILLION YEARS THEY DUG THIS OUT OF THE GROUND BEEN THE GROUND FOR? I LIKE THE LAST ONE. I THINK I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO LIMESTONE WHEN IT'S EXPOSED TO UV AND YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT, IT CHANGED, IT CHANGED IT UP. BUT THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU SOME ANSWERS ON THAT. BUT, BUT I DO THINK IF WE DID KIND OF START, IF WE DID FEEL LIKE WE WERE GOING IN A DIRECTION, I DO THINK FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO START WORKING WITH THE VENDOR TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SIZES AND HOW THAT MIGHT START TO LOOK ON THE BUILDING WITH DIFFERENT SIZE VARIATIONS. SO YEAH, JUST THE SOONER WE MAKE DECISIONS, THE SOONER YOU KNOW, THE LIMESTONE DECISION. WHAT'S NEXT? I THINK, I THINK, I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, DO YOU LIKE THE TWO FLAGS BUNCHED OVER TOGETHER OR ONE ON EACH SIDE? I LIKED THEM ONE ON EACH SIDE. WHEN ONE OF THEM YOU HAD IT ONE ON EACH SIDE. AND I WAS LIKE, OH, I LIKE THAT. YEAH, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. ONE ON EACH SIDE. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT WAS, BUT YEAH, THERE WAS 3 OR 4. IT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. I WAS LIKE, OH, I LIKE IT. ONE ON EACH SIDE. WE LIKE SYMMETRY. YOU GOTTA HAVE THE COUNTY FLAG SOMEWHERE. WE GOT THE SEAL ON TOP. IT'S BIG IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT THERE. 000. WEREN'T WE GOING TO PUT THE JACKRABBIT UP THERE ON THE VERY TOP? COTTONTAIL? MAYBE NOT. I'VE SEEN ENOUGH. JACKRABBIT.

ALL RIGHT. WAS THAT GOOD FEEDBACK? THAT'S ALL WE GET. WE GAVE YOU CLEAR ON THE COLONNADE.

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EASY ON. YOU GOT A BIRD CAGE? DO I HAVE A BIRD CAGE SO WE CAN CATCH ALL THOSE PIGEONS? ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK WE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. WE HAD A BIG PICTURE. WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE ADDING THE CIVIC CHARACTER. RIGHT? SO WE GOT A THUMBS UP ON THAT. YEAH. REMOVING THE COLONNADE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAINTAINING THE FIVE STORY CENTERPIECE. PROUD, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED OUT, CREATING THAT LAYERED ENTRY EXPERIENCE AND THEN SOME PREFERENCE FOR THE LIMESTONE. KIND OF LIKED THE MORE GLASS THAN THAT CENTERPIECE. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND AT THE END OF APRIL WITH THIS FEEDBACK AND KIND OF KEEP MOVING FORWARD, MAYBE THEN OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THE MODEL LIGHT UP NEXT TIME. I THINK DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO SAY I ASKED I ASKED THE JUDGE, WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF THIS BECOMING A VERANDA WHERE YOU COULD WALK OUT ON THE. I DON'T THINK IT HASN'T BEEN LIKE YOU GOT TO PUT A FENCE AROUND IT TO KEEP YOU FROM FALLING OFF. YEAH. WELL IT'S IT'S IT'S MORE IT'S BECOMES, IT'S A PUBLIC ACCESS AREA BECAUSE IT'S OFF THE PUBLIC CIRCULATION. I MEAN WE CAN GIVE YOU A PRICE FOR THIS TO FIT IN. WELL, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME ANY KIND OF SECURITY BREACH THAT PEOPLE CAN TOSS STUFF UP THERE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THROUGH SECURITY TO. SO IT WOULD THOSE ARE THINGS WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, BUT WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT IS TO HAVE THE RIBBON CUTTING SO IT COULD HAVE ACCESS. SO I WAS THINKING LIKE FOR FANDANGO, WE GO OUT THERE AND STAND ON THE VERANDA TO WATCH FESTIVITIES. AND OH YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I WON'T BE HERE TO DO THAT. Y'ALL HAD TO INVITE ME EX OFFICIO. WE'LL LET YOU GET AN IDEA. APRIL'S POINT ABOUT THE SECURITY. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S MORE OF AN AFTER HOURS, WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT WORRYING ABOUT THE SECURITY OF OPERATIONS. IT COULD BE FOR LIKE, A WEEKEND EVENT, A PARADE, A FESTIVAL THAT OPENS UP FOR SOME KIND OF ADDED STATE OF THE COUNTY ADDRESS, AND YOU CAN STAND UP THERE. NO KINGS IN ECTOR COUNTY. OH NO, THAT'S RIGHT. THERE IT IS. HEY, I MEAN, TO THAT POINT, WE DO WANT TO CONSIDER BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THESE WINDOWS KIND OF LOOKING DOWN ONTO THAT ROOF. SO WE DO WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS MADE OF. LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM ABOVE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING DOWN ON JUST THE ROOF FRAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH, I THINK THE BACK TO THAT CONVERSATION THAT SEAN BROUGHT UP IS THAT WE STUDY THROUGH THESE INTERIOR ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME CONSIDERATION AS WE MAYBE HIGHLIGHT THE CORNER GLASS? RIGHT. BUT MAYBE WE DOWNPLAY THESE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ON THE THIRD FLOOR ABOUT HOW FAR DOWN THE WINDOW GOES, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU'RE KIND OF HAVE THAT VISUAL ACCESS TO THE ROOF OR THE WINDOWS ARE MORE KIND OF FOCUS YOUR VIEW UP AND OUT VERSUS LOOKING DOWN AT THAT ROOF PLANE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS WE'LL KIND OF BRING INTO THE NEXT ROUND OF CONVERSATION. OKAY, COOL. VERY COOL. SO THERE'S NO OUTDOOR LIKE FOR EMPLOYEE. WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL A TOP PRIORITY. YEAH. AND THIS ONE STARTS TO SHOW IT'S ALMOST EXCLUSIVE TO THIS ONE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CEILING FANS BE SHADED DIRECTLY OFF OF THAT BREAK ROOM AREA. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT AIMED AT THE CIVIC PART. YES. LOOK AT THE SECOND STREET AND ALL THAT. IT'S OUTDOORS. IT'S MORE THAN WHAT YOU GET NOW, THAT'S FOR SURE. BELIEVE IT. SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. I HEAR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON LAST FRIDAY. OH, THAT'S WHEN THE HABOOB CAME IN.

IT WAS A LITTLE WINDY AROUND HERE LAST FRIDAY. OH, MORE SO WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU FROM LUBBOCK AND I WAS IT CAME THROUGH MY WINDOWS. CAME THROUGH EVERYTHING. YEAH. APRIL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION REAL QUICK. SO WHAT I'M CALLING THE CROWN AROUND THE TOP OF THE.

I'LL CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE. TOP HAT. WE'VE BEEN CALLING IT A HAT. NO, NO. OH, THAT'S A CORNICE. THE CROWN. RIGHT. SO. WELL, ON THE ARK OF THE COVENANT, IT WAS CROWN. SO I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT CROWN. BUT ANYWAY, SO IN THAT CROWN MOLDING OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT UP AT THE TOP THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS ON THAT ON THE PROFILE, THE PROFILE. YEAH, I GUESS IT'S A CROWN. IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND. WELL, THE PROFILE AT THAT HEIGHT, LIKE WHERE THE BECAUSE THE, THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS ONE WAS INVERTED, IT DIDN'T PROTRUDE. IT WAS LIKE THAT WAS INVERTED. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THE PROFILE OF

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